#41: Autoimmune Healing & Radical Feminist Acts with Danielle Meitiv

Danielle:
I think part of the problem is as women we're always taught that somebody else's needs come first, right? Whether it's your kids or your spouse or your elderly parents, or, you know, the neighbor who seems to have more problems or whatever. And so we don't pay attention to ourselves, but that bill will come do it. It's just, you're really not helping anybody by sacrificing yourself.

Michelle:
It's time to stop being the victim of your over-scheduled life and become the most powerful version of yourself. Welcome to she's got power. Well, Hey bear. Nice to be back with you.

Michelle:
We're season four of the podcast after last season. Wow. Wow. I needed a big old break because you know, hashtag 2020, I know you feel me on that. And I really, really hope that you've been able to take some time off yourself from work from family, from whatever was the most overwhelming during the pandemic for you. I think we all need like a nice Caribbean vacation with sun hats and little umbrellas in our drinks. Who's in, who's coming. Listen, it's not lost on me. That the show has always been about overcoming chronic stress and burnout. And here we've been in perhaps the most stressful burnout inducing period of our lives. I mean, one thing that's going to come out of the pandemic. Well, babies for one, probably quite a spike in birds, right? But also auto immune disease and specifically autoimmune thyroid disease. That's my prediction because thyroid issues and autoimmune issues are severely triggered by stress.

Michelle:
And we know they're already so prevalent among women who do it all right. That type of woman. So I would be shocked if the past year didn't spike cases of autoimmune thyroiditis, because we have been doing it all. We have been doing it all 10 times over, by the way, if you're curious about the health of your own thyroid, if Diara disease is something that runs in your family or something you've been hearing about, you're curious about, I have a free resource for you. It's my, maybe it's your thyroid solution kit. And you can download that for free at she's got power.com/thyroid. Again, that she's got power.com/thyroid for my free download. And today I'm sharing an interview with Danielle [inaudible], who is a collapsing example of a woman who I'm not surprised at all has overcome. Hashimoto's she is a true go getter. Like seriously. I had to remind myself of how to pronounce Danielle's last name. So what I'll do, I don't know if you do this, but what I'll do is I look someone up on YouTube hoping to find a video where they are saying their own name. What kind of video is the first to pop up about Danielle? Oh, you know, just that time she ran for office and her local County elections. Of course she did. And as you'll hear, Danielle is a scientist, she's a mom, she's a small business owner and so much more. And here's her story of being taken down by auto-immunity,

Michelle:
But rising up stronger than ever. Danielle, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me.

Michelle:
Yeah. I'm really excited to talk about your story today. It's funny because when we were just chatting before I hit record, you were telling me some details and I was like, yes, this is awesome. And actually it's not awesome at all because you've been through some really difficult things, but I've met awesome. Like this is going to be a great story to tell and helpful for so many of our listeners. So I was hoping that you could just drop us into your world and describe what was happening the day that you found yourself curled up on the floor of the bathroom and everything was just wrong, wrong.

Danielle:
Okay. So my son was a year old and so I was about 35 or 36. And my mom had passed away a few months earlier. So it was like rock, rock, bottom, and everything hurt. So inside everything hurt, I was grieving, but physically everything hurt. I literally felt like I had been run over by a steamroller. Every Muslim, my body hurt everything. I ate made me sick. I was always bloated. I couldn't sleep. So it was bad. Everything was bad. And that was on me.

Michelle:
How long were those? Was it just that day or how long were those experiences happening for you?

Danielle:
Well, I think like looking back, they had been building up, like I had had symptoms and I'd already been diagnosed as hyperthyroid, but I didn't know anything about what to do about it. I had some medicine, which is what most doctors do. They just throw a prescription at you, but I didn't know that things had gotten worse until like then they just hit the bottom and it was a while to get out. Like I just, I didn't, I didn't know what it was. I thought it was just this postpartum is this, it didn't even occur to me. It was my thyroid. It took, I don't know, visiting like five doctors before somebody said, Oh, this is like auto-immune and you actually need to heal your body. It didn't like didn't occur to me at all. No, of course

Michelle:
Not. Because like you said, you go and if you're lucky enough to get a diagnosis, that's one thing. But then you feel like, well, I'll take these pills and then everything will be okay. Not always the case,

Danielle:
Right? No, no. So how long

Michelle:
Pass between getting diagnosed with hypothyroidism and reaching this rock? Bottom moment?

Danielle:
So I was diagnosed a few years earlier because I was having trouble getting pregnant. So I went to a bunch of doctors and then I finally found a doctor and said, Oh, let's check your thyroid because I couldn't get pregnant. And then when I did get pregnant, I had three miscarriages. So that's when I was diagnosed with thyroid given the medication. And it was about three years to about three years between that diagnosis and this hitting the rock bottom. So we, the medication and no improvements

Michelle:
Under, I don't know if you happen to know this statistic. I don't. I wonder how many women who are being treated for infertility and have maybe gone pretty far in that process actually have a thyroid issue.

Danielle:
Yeah, that's a good question. I don't know the statistics, but I do know that infertility is one of the signs of eye wear disorder and that a good doctor will. I mean, I was lucky in that case, like a doctor will say, Hey, let's check your thyroid levels. You know, because miscarriage and in fertility really do go along with hypothyroidism. Right.

Michelle:
So you had been trying to get pregnant, unfortunately had a few miscarriages. Were there any other classic symptoms or maybe even not so classic symptoms that now you look back and you're like, Oh yeah, that was my thyroid.

Danielle:
Yeah. Yeah. So that incredible muscle aches, just that the joints, I mean, I was 35 years old. I was like, felt like I was 35 or 36 going on like 90. I mean every muscle hurts. Every joint cracked in eight. Um, you know, I could sleep eight hours, nine hours, so be exhausted or I could have insomnia the middle of the night, that wonderful Seesaw between constipation and diarrhea, great digestion. I could eat a food one day and be fine the next day, you know, I'd have Heinz. So, I mean, there were so many I'd have and things I didn't realize like fitting here going great. I started going right in my twenties and now that I'm being treated, I'm like slowing down and I'm in my fifties. So it's kind of funny. So early gray is such a classic symptom that there have been campaigns to like teach hairdressers, to tell people, to get their thyroid checked.

Danielle:
Is that right? Wow. Yep. In their twenties, I was going gray in my twenties, um, hair falling out, like I said, digestive issues, skin problems. I thought everybody had like those little lovely, like scales that you literally looked like a snake on your elbows and knees and stuff. Excellent. Often goes with thyroid disorders. So dry mouth, dry eyes and another crazy thing. High cholesterol, LDL high LDL. I did not know that until in fact recently, um, in the last couple of years that that's associated with hypothyroidism. So yeah, I had, I had everything. I was like the textbook case. And yet nobody noticed

Michelle:
Had doctors put you on anything for those other symptoms.

Danielle:
Not at that stage. Although I have had endocrinologists saying, Oh, you're feeling down here, there's an edit depressant. You're an endocrinologist. Talk about my phone or here's a statin or here's a, you know, they're more than happy to like, you know, the Stein, here's a good, a depressant. Um, Oh, here's, you know, subscripts a prescription to eat lessen, you know, move more. Thanks. But yeah, no, they, there were plenty of other things they want to give me and not the like hormone that my body just couldn't make anymore.

Michelle:
So you have hypothyroidism going on, obviously at some point you were then diagnosed with the bidding Hashimoto's but that took work. Tell us about the hat.

Danielle:
Yeah, it was seven years. Yeah. So seven years between, Oh, there's no need more than that. Sorry. 11 years between getting in the high, the hypothyroid medicine, then I was actually diagnosed with celiac before high Hashimoto's, which have both had celiacs also auto-immune and then years later after I started looking into it, I thought, well, what is this hypo thyroid? Like, what, where does this come from? And I went to the doctor and said, can you test these antibodies? Cause I hear there's this thing called Hashimoto's and Oh yeah, that's probably what you have. And she tested it and sure enough, I have Hashimoto's but that was like 2014. No, it was 11 years after I was first put on medication that somebody bothered to tell me why I might need this medication because my body was attacking itself.

Michelle:
Yes. That is a classic story. And I don't think a lot of people know about that correlation between Hashimoto's and celiac disease, but they can very commonly go together.

Danielle:
Yes, very much so. Um, and also once you have one autoimmune disease, you're much more likely to get a second or a third. I have like four, I have a whole suite of them.

Michelle:
You're collecting them. I am,

Danielle:
I it's like, you know, I feel like it's like the special edition rosacea eczema, celiac. And,

Michelle:
And in some ways, I mean that's terrible and a real pain in the neck, I'm sure for you to go, you know, go through all these different symptoms and working on healing yourself. But in a way I feel like there's something to be said for, okay, these are actually all from the same root cause. Like they're not just bad luck. Oh, Danielle, you got this. Now you got this other thing, but they really all come from the same place. And if you think about, you know, just your life growing up your background, anything that come to mind that could have contributed to you being at risk for the series of auto immune diseases?

Danielle:
Well, yeah. Two big things. One auto-immunity runs very strongly and families like you have, um, they would say, you know, like your genes, you know, uh, load the gun. And my aunt had Ms. My mom had Hashimoto's and then a graves' and then Hashimoto's another cousin and Hashimoto's so we have tons of auto-immunity genetically, but then you need to pull the trigger. And often it's trauma that pulls the trigger, especially childhood trauma. So, um, I came from my, both, my parents came from a traumatic background, so they brought that trauma into my child. So, so especially women who have had traumatic, traumatic childhoods are much more likely to have auto-immunity. So that was part of it. And sure enough, like probably while I wasn't given medication until my thirties, I probably started having the symptoms as early as my twenties. So, um, yeah. Childhood trauma is really closely linked to auto-immunity later in life.

Michelle:
Right. And I'm sure when you were in your twenties and maybe you were in college or your first job or whatever you were doing, there was something that you could just overlook. Right. Whatever you were experiencing, you probably just shrugged and went on about your life. Having no idea what was brewing.

Danielle:
No, no clue. Exactly. I mean, they're like, Oh, I'm just, or, Oh, I'm just, no, I'm just gaining weight or I'm just losing weight or I'm, you know, it's just, I'll just, you know, sleep a few more hours or whatever. And also you think, of course, that you're Bulletproof. So I'll just, you know, I'll sleep next week. Right. And then, you know, obviously you get older. You're like this isn't working anymore actually to pay attention to my body occasionally.

Michelle:
And sometimes women are in their forties and fifties and still with that I'll sleep when I'm dead attitude. And well, what would you say to someone who's in that position right now?

Danielle:
Well, you're not, I mean, I think part of the problem is as women we're always taught that somebody else's needs come first, right? Whether it's your kids or your spouse or your elderly parents, or, you know, the neighbor who seems that more problems or whatever. And so we don't pay attention to ourselves, but that bill will come due. It's just, you're really not helping anybody by sacrificing yourself. You don't of course the top that we get, we get points, but we don't, we don't get any extra points for beating ourselves up. And I always thought that there's like some sort of painful irony or parallel. And the fact that autoimmunity is literally beating yourself up. It is literally we swallow our anger. We swallow our, you know, frustrations. We swallow our own needs and they come out through auto-immunity we literally beat ourselves up and that doesn't help you and it's not gonna help anybody else in your life.

Michelle:
Wow. That's an image, right? If you think about that, it is your body attacking itself. And that's kind of what we're doing with negative self-talk and with, you know, I'm not good enough and I have to do more and all of this sort of internalized people pleasing that runs rampant among women.

Danielle:
Yep. And like you, I find that, you know, you know, I've seen a lot of what you're talking about. I think for women to take charge of their health and taking themselves is like a radical feminist act. It is absolutely standing up. You were setting example. I have a daughter, I want her to see that every day I'm sending, I want my son to see that this is how women take care of themselves. And by taking care of ourselves, we are telling the world that we're worth caring about that. We're not going to be doormats. We're not going to be slaves. So I think, you know, we set examples for each other and for the girls in our lives, what we take care of.

Michelle:
Oh, I love that. Yes. And you did, when, you know, apparently you got up off the floor of the bathroom, you know, you did research, you were able to bring information to your doctors. And that takes a lot of legwork just to get the diagnosis. Tell us a little bit about what you did after that. I mean, you get a diagnosis, they give you supplemental thyroid hormone. They tell you to stop eating gluten, you know? Okay. That's the basics. And then what legwork did you do to continue that healing process?

Danielle:
Well, first of all, I got the diagnosis of celiac and the food sensitivities. I was a vegetarian and I had been since I was 14. So now I was like 36 or something where he's seven and the doctor said, okay, well you have celiacs and I'm more gluten. And by the way, shouldn't have dairy eggs, soy, or corn. And I literally burst into tears. I, what am I going to eat? What else is there when you're a vegetarian? So I had a friend who was also going to dinner and he said, try thing of meat as medicine and try some. And I was like, I was really hesitant to go into the store and I'm like, okay, I take a little bit of Turkey. And I got like some beef for some bites. And I'm like, okay, like literally took a few bites. And it was like, somebody had plugged my brain in.

Danielle:
I just, I did not realize that I was running on such low energy for so long. And my body was just like, you could hear the Halloweens. I mean, it was such a dramatic, I just couldn't believe. And it was, and I literally started crying cause I've been a vegetarian for so long. This was hard for me to mentally wrap my head around. Yeah. And also, I should say, as my background, I have a master, we had oceanography and I had worked on climate and environmental issues for 20 years. So I also thought here being a vegetarian is better for the environment. So you I'm like what I have to meet now. But then I did start doing, uh, doing some more digging and discovered that really most of the experts say vegetarian diet is not going to be an entity for a number of reasons, which kind of shocked me.

Danielle:
Like I was like, what? I can't eat grains because they're hard to digest and Oh, by the way, beans, and you can't really get the protein. If you already have a compromise. And like, this was all a shock to me. And then we learned about paleo diet and really bringing more sense and animal proteins and especially clean fats and proteins. And then also learned that it wasn't nearly as bad for the climate as I thought it was that you could eat in a very environmentally sustainable way, which was really important to me. So yeah, I did a lot of research on the paleo diet then specifically on people who did work on Hashimoto's the paleo thyroid solution book. There's the paleo approach for the VIN. Somebody else taught me about the autoimmune protocol to figure out kind of what I was sensitive to. And it took a lot of work. I mean, it took a lot of research and um, I mean, now it's a little more available than it was like, you know, uncovering field, picking up rocks and looking on with them.

Danielle:
Nobody knew this stuff, but it was, I didn't, you know, it was also hard cause your family, you know, they're like, Oh yeah, that's a pizza. Okay. I can't have the night shades and I can't have the cheese and I can't have no pizza for me tonight. So yeah, it definitely took a lot. And a lot of, you know, people sometimes they'll say, Oh my gosh, I couldn't live without bread. And I, and I now realize I can't live with brands that's for eggs or, you know, so it's not a sacrifice when you, when I remember what it was like to be called up on the bathroom floor, I don't feel like I've sacrificed anything. I mean, I feel fantastic now I've lost weight, you know, I have all this energy.

Michelle:
So it's been a bunch of gains for you. It doesn't feel like I'm missing out on this or I'm missing out on that. And you are obviously not experiencing the same pain. You've lost way. What other like big aha moments have come out of this healing process? Like, Oh my God, I didn't realize I could feel.

Danielle:
Yeah. So, um, yeah, so many things like I've always started a new business, had no idea that, you know, just having the mental energy for that was amazing. I work out regularly. Like I love strength training and I'm like, wow, I literally couldn't get off the bathroom floor. And now I'm like, I built myself kind of a home gym, just been a lifesaver doing COVID. So that's been great. Also really understanding how to recognize, um, you know, what healthy looks like. So helping my family, um, my husband had cancer as a child and also he is a positive hepatitis B because he grew up in the Soviet union and was actually, um, got infected through a dirty needle. So he always has, I mean, he's not, he's not active, but I feel so empowered to understand other people's health and really help them. So, you know, I understand how to protect, you know, what my kids and who also have celiac and from my husband.

Danielle:
And so it's really been so powerful. I'd say the biggest thing for me is just understanding that the medical industry is not really a health care industry. It is a crisis intervention and prevention industry, which is great. If you're having a heart attack, like you don't need herbs or shopper checking, you need an emergency room. You know, there are times you need antibiotics. There are times that, you know, that emergency room, that Western medicine is the best thing, but it's not going to keep you healthy. It's just going to keep you from dying. Hopefully. So just really understanding that we just can't put our health and wellbeing in the hands of somebody who's going to spend eight minutes talking to us. Even the most well-meaning doctor has pressures and they only know so much. And like, we, we really do need to pay more attention to our own wellbeing.

Danielle:
Like it literally has to be part of our job, but like just something we want to do, we need to take care of ourselves. We just like, you know, we make sure the kids have shoes and the house is clean and the bills are paid. You know, we need to make sure we get rest and healthy meal and the stress and you know, all those things are just, it just part of what it means to be, you know, an adult woman. And we just need to embrace it, not as a wedging thing, but as a good thing,

Michelle:
If you could talk to yourself when you were going through difficulty getting pregnant and the miscarriages, like, I don't know what, sometimes I don't know what, like my former self would listen to, you know? So I don't know what your former self would have listened to, but what do you think you could have said to her in that moment that would have helped things move along?

Danielle:
Oh, um, yeah. I think one of the biggest things I think women need to hear period, is none of this is your fault, right? The fact that you need to stop arrest or take medication or anything, you didn't do anything to deserve it. It's not your fault. You're not taking away from somebody else by taking care of yourself. You know, there's no shame in being sick and there's no shame in having to stop and pay attention to your own needs. And that's something I still wrestle with in my life. But it's definitely my younger self. I just, I don't even, like I said, I'm going to be short for what I've understood those words then, but I realize that's what's going on that there's, you know, I just, Oh, I'm going to go. And I'm tough. And I'm, you know, I'd be like, I was teaching at one point I was teaching kickboxing. Now my older self is like, no, that's too much cardio stop. You know, you don't need to keep going. It's okay to stop. Occasionally take a breath.

Michelle:
I'm always just bowled over by the similarities in the interviews that I do with women like yourself, almost everyone has ended up on the floor at some point. And so many women say, Oh yeah. And I was also teaching aerobics at 5:00 AM in the morning, three times a week or something like that. And that's so funny. You just said about Kickbox

Danielle:
Kickboxing actually sent it staffers one. Cause I was living in DC and working on the Hill, like crazy hours, you know, like I'd work a full day of work and there'd be like three hours of kickboxing, like the basement of the Senate building or something.

Michelle:
Well, yes. And it is that personality type that we hear so much on the show. Right? Cause I know you, you're a tough woman. You get stuff done. You have advanced degrees. You have to just tell us some of the things that you were doing at that time. Right? You said you were working all day. What were you doing?

Danielle:
So I was working for the national oceanic and atmospheric administration, NOAA people who bring the weather service. Um, so I was doing that and this, so this is even before I got married, I was doing that. I was volunteering. I helped start this like social justice organization here in DC. And I was teaching Kickbox. Yeah, of course. So of course. Right. Um, and then in my spare time I was actually rock climbing. So there you go.

Michelle:
So it was like a one 80, not only in like, hi, you think you should be vegetarian and you can't stand the idea of eating meat to like, actually this is going to help you heal. And also, hi, you fill your schedule. You are pushing through glass ceilings. You are making stuff happen in this world. Oh no, actually you're going to have to meet to back off from that. How successful have you been?

Danielle:
Oh, there's a good one. I think I'm definitely getting better at it. One thing that I think happened, you know, it's like my subconscious was kind of like slipping it in is that after my second child was born, I went back to work and I was working full time with her. I took four months off or three months off. Then I went back and I ended up that contract. Wasn't renewed. I got laid off. And like that was the universe saying, here's a gift. Let's see if you can accept it. And so I was, you know, my job performance goal was of course exhausted. And I know, you know what, maybe I'll just try consulting for a little while from home. And I ended up of course, finding, you know, as much consulting as I had time. And I ended up only doing it part-time or like 20 to 25 ish hours a week because I thought, Oh, I'm raising my child.

Danielle:
That was just the most fantastic thing. I mean, shifting, I have not worked, full-time in an office since now, 2008 or January, 2009. And that was a huge blessing because you know, I'm able to do work. I love and you know, I'm here with my kids, I'm working from home, but also like I could do it without saying, Oh, and by the way, you also take care of yourself at the time. So, um, you know, shifting to working for me and if you would ask me, you know, years before, I'd be like, no, I'm going to work full-time and you know, and I think daycare is a great option. I totally respect women who do that. I needed to be at home. I realized for me too. So that was really a big deal. I mean, the fact that over the last, you know, 12 years, so I've been more part-time, you know, also one foot in the family has been incredibly healing for me. So that was, I just, my younger self would not recognize that in me at all. Like what do you want to like work from home?

Michelle:
It sounds like your vision of success has changed.

Danielle:
Absolutely. And I feel extremely successful. I mean, I did amazing, like I was doing this great consulting and I traveled to India for this job in England, you know, fabulous things. But it wasn't the, you know, I'm going to get on the power suit, you know, seven in the morning and go work on Capitol Hill for, you know, 12 hour days. And that load of, I mean, I, I don't even know. I would have been like living on that bathroom floor if I did that. So yeah. I mean, I think embracing a different vision of success, not lesser at all, just different has just made me a lot happier and healthier, frankly.

Michelle:
This is such an amazing story. And I'm imagining you as I also have been working from home since about 2008, 2009. And since everyone is doing it right now, because whether they wanted to, or not before it was sexy, that's right. I've been wearing yoga pants all day since before all of this became so mainstream, but maybe be fun to just share a couple of things that you do during the day that you can't do when you're working outside the house. Like here's an example. I can pull out something from the freezer at 10 o'clock when I remember, Oh no, I'm going to have to make dinner tonight and like defrost it on the counter and it's ready at five. Right. So that's like something I love. It's like, Oh, I forgot to take the ground beef out of the freezer and I'm already at work. Do you have anything like that? You do.

Danielle:
Oh, absolutely. Well that one you're like, Oh, about 10 o'clock. Cause I'm gonna pull the chicken out. But yeah. So, so I think really one of the best things about working from home is being able to obviously set your own schedule. And some it is hard to not, you know, when home is work, it's you always take more call obviously, but also being able to take breaks throughout the day. Obviously, you know, the kids work, you know, schooling from home has been really hard. And I also try and take time to just be with them. That's incredibly recharging for me popping into one of the kids' rooms and saying hi, or, you know, stopping and movie afternoon should make tea. Just, you can take breaks when you're working from home. Like I said, T for family to play with the dog to step out in the garden, like, you know, I always have like herbs or something. So, you know, just to stand outside for a minute, those micro breaks I think are so, so, so essential, you know? Cause you can't just wait till the weekends. Right. You do it like five or 10 times a day and you just, it keeps you saying just for like two minutes here and there. Yeah.

Michelle:
So I'm hoping that for anyone listening, who's working from home now and you won't always be working from home, you know, take advantage of the fact that you're there and you don't have to just sit and stare at your computer all day. You can probably step outside and pick some parsley out of the garden or take a breath of fresh air. And these are things that you just can't do when you're, I remember working on the 18th floor of this tall building in Boston and even just to get some fresh air, took like 15 minutes to get down and past security and out the doors and Oh, okay. Now I'm standing with all the smokers.

Danielle:
Yeah. And also I keep like, you know, I, I often have, um, you know, I'll keep kettlebells in my office or yoga mat or something and you can literally just, Oh, you're feeling stressed. You've been sitting too long, like go and do like a child's pose on your yoga mat or something just for like two minutes or three breaths even. But, uh, it really does make a difference. So those micro breaks. So yeah. Learn how to do them now so that when you do go back to the office, you know, you can like sneak in some, like, you know, downward Dodson, nobody's looking in your cubicle or something.

Michelle:
I'm never going back to an office. No, but I know a lot of people we'll have to we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Anyway. Danielle, thank you so much for sharing your story with us today. I really appreciate you spilling some details that I think our listeners are going to resonate with.

Danielle:
Yeah. Well I'm so mad. I'm really, really, like I said, this is, this is like a crusade. I mean, one moment at a time we're going to revolutionize women's health. Yeah.

Michelle:
You said it all right.

Speaker 2:
Thanks so much. My pleasure. Thank you.

Michelle:
She fabulous. I love Danielle's energy and she's so right. Taking care of ourselves first as a woman is a radical feminist idea. It is a radical thing to do. And she was probably the last woman who would ever admit that she needed a break. Right? She was so busy with those kickboxing classes and rock climbing and all like, can you relate to this? Are you one of these women who are climbing mountain after mountain, after mountain literally or metaphorically or like bold. I know I've gone through so much of my life like that. And even now I have to tell myself, okay, Michelle, chill out, have a cup of tea, sit your butt down and find a show on Netflix. Like for heavens sake. Like I said, at the top of the show, and as Danielle mentioned during the interview, there is this enormous connection between stress and auto-immune disease.

Michelle:
There's an enormous connection between people pleasing and perfectionism and negative self-talk and auto-immune disease. I think this is a super important topic and I'm so glad you joined me for this episode. If you think your thyroid might be going a little haywire, let me help you with that. I've got a free thyroid solution kit. You can download it right now at she's got power.com/thyroid. It's the kind of thing you don't just want to walk into your doctor's office and ask for you really want a little extra knowledge to empower yourself around the symptoms and proper testing. So go ahead and grab that kit. Now at she's got power.com/thyroid and I'll be back next week. See that.